The University of Notre Dame in Indiana, for example, offers its Executive MBA (EMBA) in blended format via once-a-month classes at sites around the Chicago and Cincinnati metro area. That's what I'm doing, I'm getting it with an undergraduate finance/economics double major in my 4 years. tl;dr - you need work experience to get into a top tier MBA program, and any other program isn't worth it. I think the problem is perception versus reality. I just wanted to chime in to comfort/promote anyone who didn't make it into the top (whatever arbitrary number) school. Top schools take a holistic approach to the MBA admissions process. Any program that takes most of their students (there are always exceptions) right out of a bachelors program is more interested in their money than their education. In-state tuition for a full-time student at Hough costs $12,737 per year – a much lower price tag compared with the annual charge at more highly ranked b-schools. A first tier business school is "above" second tier and third tier business schools. An employer will wonder what did you learn in 5 years that you couldn't learn in 4? bullshit. I'm honestly taking a class right now basic writing skills because I'm aware how poor of a writer I am. Why? If you will be quitting work and/or taking a loan, then most likely not. Also if you can it often makes sense to wait a fee years post-grad to start your masters for a few reasons. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? You will receive a probation (temporary ban) for disregarding this rule. Full time is better for career transitions and networking. That's what I've been told. In my experience, MBAs really helped me manage my people, re-engineering processes, bettering my finance knowledge but I have my own business and I can actually put the knowledge into practice. This is bad advice. It's just a bit harder if you're not top 10, and also harder if you didn't make any networking connections from your online MBA. And at $121,080, the average post-MBA salary was also in the top 10. I have talked to several people over the past few months (professionals, professors etc.) The consensus seems to be don't bother unless it is top tier. What has your post-MBA career been like? If you hope to work for the most elite MBA firms, you need to get into a school at which those firms recruit. But I was a shitty writer until sometime after law school. I also know a bunch of guys in PE and HF that don't have one at all. Regardless if you go to a top10 MBA program or not one piece of advice I can offer is that you shouldn't get your MBA (or any advanced degree for that matter) from the same institution you received your undergraduate degree. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). My math score was the same but my verbal score improved DRAMATICALLY and I really think it's because work experience forces you to improve your writing. I don't know what you do, but building out models and pitches always seemed more useful to me on VC side. Hmm; that's really just a few types of Wall Street jobs. [–]PuglyTaco 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). On the same note, if you want the high-flying NY hedge fund lifestyle and it's been your dream, you better hail from Wharton or something b/c those contacts will be your entry into the 1% network. Secondly, the quality/prestige/focus of the program is much more important than whether or not you also attended the same university for undergrad. Do you think it is even worthwhile to do anything below a Top 3/5 MBA (Harvard, Stanford, Wharton, MIT?, ???) The people that you'll meet in an MBA program > The people that you'll meet in a MSF program. [–]disco_biscuit 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago* (3 children). What job were you previously offered? [–]throw-it-outAnalyst - Hedge Fund 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children), [–]ell20 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children). Remember that there are different types of writing. The latter set of skills/exp is as good as the former. Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. Since I started on the sales/trading track (trading for me), I've worked at most 10 hour days (these days it's 8), and never on the weekend. Especially if you're flexible on location and stuff. If you get an MBA right after undergrad, you: Straight out of undergrad, it's at least possible that you don't know what career you'd lie in 8-10 years. DON’T MISS: POETS&QUANT’S TOP 100 MBA PROGRAMS IN THE U.S. or POETS&QUANTS TOP INTERNATIONAL MBA PROGRAMS Also learned a bit of venture law just so I can read the contracts. [–]ell20 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children). I went to WP Carey - #2 on the list and also a top 20 "in person" MBA program. if you want to do a jump from a ~mediumish HF to a prestigious HF or prestigious PE? Maybe the average finance hire is but not anybody I would hire. For instance, say I want to transition to oil & gas corporate development, or supply chain mgmt, or any specific niche. The different school will have different ways of doing things will provide a more well/ rounded experience. The market is also massively saturated with bankers. [–]throw-it-outAnalyst - Hedge Fund 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children). [–]blueduds 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children). I'm thinking of going back to school so I can go back to a big bank (which I didn't consider before, what with all the difficulty when I graduated undergrad right after '08). In grouping schools, I also found it very hard to place non U.S.‒based schools within the same tier as U.S.‒based schools. Even the MIT uchicago level is tough. for me it was worth the time and effort. Business schools such as We-School, Manav Rachna University, Fore School of Management, Jaipuria Institute of Management didn’t respond to queries. The program was fantastic. Online MBA is worthless, [–]ScotchAndLeather 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child). [–]Advokatus 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). Having the business undergrad and a more specific masters makes me more marketable given the line of work I chose which is working between business and technology. After that it was probably pride that brought me to take the other two levels. Hello, I am in the process of applying to various MBA programs. [–]NahMan_ThatAintMe 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children). I am graduating this summer from an M7 program. Furthermore, as far as I can tell, the alumni networks are also somewhat distinct, i.e. Look at a school's employment reports and see what types of placement and salaries people graduating receive. Would you really advise that person to choose Kellogg over Stanford, especially if Stanford were a better fit for their professional objectives? [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). I feel like if I were to do the CFA, it would be for the same reason you did. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children). [–]SleepyTurtle 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child), [–]Wineagin 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]HeckleMonster 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]FelixP 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]blackeagle613 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), http://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/mba/rankings?int=a2b309. The reality is they use your degree to judge the value of the relationships you have that you can bring with you. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (8 children), [–]cakepiebrownie 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (4 children). [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children). over-qualify yourself for analyst positions at top banks, make it much more difficult to make a transition to a different career, if you decide to do so. The thing is, it's because at top schools there is grade inflation (HBS) or no grading (Stanford) so you get to part-time w/ the big firms and network 20+ hours a week. Source: I don't go to USC but a couple of my friends do. I'm a recent finance grad, my opinion is: don't get an MBA without at least 3, but preferably 5, years of experience. Work experience is an important box to check for top MBA admissions, but it conveniently helps in other ways too: increased verbal GMAT score, contacts for writing recommendations, etc. I got a top tier MBA (my school flips between top 10 and top 20).and now work in Fortune 100 corporate finance. FT Top 100 Global Australian Rankings. [+]asudan30 comment score below threshold-27 points-26 points-25 points 6 years ago (3 children). [–]nmyunit -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (3 children), [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children). I do corporate finance consulting for a small consulting firm. In addition to learning more advanced leadership skills and increasing the value of one’s professional/personal networks, applicants also cite salary as one of their main motivations for wanting to obtain their MBA. If you aren't getting hired now there's a reason for that, figure out why. More like endless pages of 10-K's trying to decipher where these dicks are hiding the last couple million of depreciation. [–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (11 children). Doubled my income right out of school. I worked in consulting for a couple years and then moved to the buy-side. Any decision about an MBA ought to be made in context. You understand that you are using any and all information available on or through this forum AT YOUR OWN RISK. Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. This is absolutely key, yet a seemingly ignored aspect of deciding on an MBA. On the other hand, if you are trying to break into an industry, then it can be a very helpful tool; it always depends on your circumstances. I just want to chime in and say that I've had so many professors tell me not to get an advanced degree at the same university you get your undergraduate from. Post-MBA salaries were 153% higher than on entering the programme, the second-highest of all schools surveyed. If you want in, you better do so through business school. It depends. Often the MBA program will be taught by the same professors that taught the undergrad courses and the schools style will be the same. Also don't do online MBA. When you have to deconstruct and rewrite someone's thoughts, after awhile, you figure-out how to better construct and write your own. It depends on the situation. Part time is good for continuing in the same career. Are your classmates going on to working as execs in fortune 500 co's that can bring deals to the bank? [–]designery 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Insubstantial threads, thoughtless questions, and poorly conceived posts will be deleted. Because they made the job seem like a financial advisory role which it isn't. Online grad degrees are almost always worthless. Fix that as soon as you can, or no one will take you seriously. Seriously why do you say this? I'm almost certain he's talking about UNC. Booth (ranked #1 by some), Tuck, Haas, Ross, Kellogg, Duke, Cornell are all great as well. While military applicants come from many different undergraduate institutions, those who come from service academies and top 50 schools (i.e. People who are held back by that aren't going to make it either way. Those jobs require you to be in a specific location, work ungodly hours and solely focus on you career. Three Australian MBAs – Melbourne Business School, AGSM @ UNSW and Macquarie Business School – have maintained their place in the latest Global MBA Ranking for 2020 compiled by UK-based FT (Financial Times). But yes, MBA/JD is pointless outside of absolute top schools. An MBA is a chance to prove your competence and network as much as it is an opportunity to re-brand yourself. It was a commonplace when I was applying to business school, way back in 1999, that there wasn't much point in getting an MBA unless you could get into a top-tier school… Students who have skills in math and are interested in business would do well to pursue an MBA, but law school is a great choice for students who have good communication skills and a liberal arts foundation. I have a theory that big readers are better writers so I'm just curious. I have been an avid reader all my life. I have no doubt that people can be successful with any MBA. There is absolutely a stigma with people who have undergrad/grad from the same institution. Depending on what department its in an online MBA could be meaningless. Networking, interview, resume, etc. You might not have the prestige of a top XX school, but you have a greater opportunity to land a job in the industry, since you have relevant knowledge that other applicants might not. [–]PuglyTaco 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]prep20 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). Unless you have other career goals, I'd consider the MPH. Also, don't get an online MBA in general. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. Your degree doesn't actually matter at all if you can skillfully approach things in an nontraditional fashion. It's refreshed every Monday. [–]FelixP 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children). [+]nmyunit comment score below threshold-8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (8 children). [–]I_hate_alot_a_lotFinancial Advisor 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children). But more importantly is because many studies done have shown that you can increase your income from doing so. Whenever I get an interview I land it but now I can't even get an interview. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Prestige is a factor and online is not considered prestigious. Or should I only bother with an MBA from a top school similar to how law school is that a not top tier school is pointless? Depends what field you want to get into and where you want to work. I am in the exact same position, I am a student at a top 25 MBA program, and I have landed a nice corp fin job in M&A, and managed to more than double my salary after working for 2 years after college. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (15 children). (To bolster my finance foundation). So if you don't have an MBA from top tier school you got to compensate for it. [–]NahMan_ThatAintMe 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]wheat123 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). I'm a CFA charterholder. A BB IBD isn't too concerned about the foundational curriculum you learn bc it's pretty much going to be the same across the board (at least in the top 20 real schools... which is equivalent to the CFA full curriculum). [–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children). Questions regarding loans, refinancing, mortgages, credit cards, investing and anything else that may be related to personal finance should be directed towards the subreddit /r/personalfinance. Nah. A school like USC is in that neighborhood and has an amazing alumni network that still sends people to top companies (just fewer people than someplace like Wharton). Had the time of my life, built an amazing network, and scored a job that justified the cost. Opened a lot of doors for me. [–]electricclouds[] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children). Sorry to hear that you can't find work. MBA grads from these business schools have at least a 140% average return, U.S. News data show. I read something that most people end up making like 5000/yr before they have to quit. I'm actually a former engineer turned MBA / startup person. Networking has been stellar. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 28523 on r2-app-033b3304ad245143b at 2020-12-17 14:24:12.517525+00:00 running cb1fbdc country code: NL. I'm in an online MBA program currently. [–]throw-it-outAnalyst - Hedge Fund 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). No idea. I don't think a top 10 school is essential, but top 20 - top 25 should roughly be your cut off. As long as I attend and do my work? [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children). If you cannot differentiate yourself beyond your degree I don't care where you went to school. the sense of entitlement is strong in this one. Sure I'm not working for high finance, Wall street or a big bank but quite honestly I wouldn't want to anyways. [–]MBAninjas 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). The ONLY time it's worthwhile is if you have a secure job, you're happy where you are, and you know there would be an automatic salary bump for doing it - AND your employer will foot the bill. My sister got her law degree from a top 40 school and she couldn't get a job. The company my brother in law works for encouraged him to get an MBA and then promoted him after he earned it from a public school. I always thought I was a good writer until professional writers (speech writers, communications people) started telling me I wasn't... [–]KyleGCorporate Attorney 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children). When you get an MBA, where you went to school definitely matters for that first job out of business school. Define low/bottom tier school. Went to IE in Madrid! There are way better ways to approach it, if you're disciplined, but in a vacuum I'd sit for at least level 1 again. You also can't the job unless you recommend 10 others to get the job, so they can also be used to sell awful insurance to their friends and family. Studying for that, did you feel it was worth it? How is taking classes online different from taking them in the classroom? I worked for a judge after law school and helped draft opinions. No, b/c I was never really shooting for high finance or the Big 4 lifestyle. Use those numbers to see if the cost is justified. There are plenty of successful financiers that came from non-top 15 programs in the middle market. I started a job after college and about 2 years later work wanted to pay for me to get my MBA if I'd sign a 5 year commitment to them. [–]IamLevenAnalyst - Hedge Fund[S] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (6 children). The fee for a two-year MBA programme at many of the second-tier institutes can go up to Rs 16 lakh while only a handful (less than 5%) get offers that exceed Rs 8 lakh per year. [–]hydrocyanideQuant 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). For instance, US News deemed American University to be a first tier law school until this year, and even now American is situated near the top of the second tier, in 56 th place. With that said, I would be very concerned about an online program. Although they have nothing to do with the question you asked. As a rule of thumb I'd say anything in the top 20 is probably fine but you're really shooting for top 10. That is why it is advantageous for those who want to go into law and business to go to top tier graduate schools. That shit's not exactly literature. [–]HellaSoberBuy Side 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child). [+]asudan30 comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (0 children). Housing gets expensive in popular cities. Sure, that diploma from a top school may turn heads and get you a great starting salary, but studies have shown that salaries of graduates from some mid-tier programs can grow faster and higher than top programs over a twenty-year span.” The classic example I've seen where a non-Top 20 school has been a good value is when it is a decent state school in an area that is far removed from top schools. [–]lowsiento 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]parcivale 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children). Outside of undergrad and MBA school, there just isn't much of a recruitment mechanism at the elite firms (except at the executive level). [–]sixtehQuant 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children). It was a requirement to get a consulting job at Arthur Andersen 35 years ago. Outside of the top 10-12 schools these are very diminished / nonexistent. Do you read a lot? 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